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No Subject Posted by THE Blake I just can't wait until the compliants roll in here. Great article Phil! No Subject Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader Complaints about what? He's criticizing people like you in his article. No Subject Posted by Adam Frazier That's a) the best title I've ever seen for an article and b) one of the most interesting things I've ever read... awesome. First compliant? Nah. No Subject Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader Now THE's comment about Bush being one of the top 2 presidents of all time makes sense...he can't process complex information. No Subject Posted by Peter Sine Good article Phil, I am not so sure you're walking in the right direction, but I'll give you props for walking in the first place. People who don't need to apologize don't need you to do it for them. I'm not a hater, just a reader. No Subject Posted by THE Blake Wasn't the crux of the article about how anyone who doesn't believe in Christ is like a zombie? If not, I must've read it wrong...of course it was late when I read it so I must've missed some stuff. Actually READ the Article before commenting, please. Posted by Phil Okay... Really... I put a LOT of time creating an article for what I like to call "The Church"... "The Body of Believers" if you will. Likening non-believers to Zombies is a basic concept in the article. However, the thrust of the article is addressing the audience on how they need to quit acting like pompous, narrow-minded, self righteous jerks. Actually READ the Article before commenting, please. Posted by Phil Okay... Really... I put a LOT of time creating an article for what I like to call "The Church"... "The Body of Believers" if you will. Likening non-believers to Zombies is a basic concept in the article. However, the thrust of the article is addressing the audience on how they need to quit acting like pompous, narrow-minded, self righteous jerks. No Subject Posted by Ray Some, it is true, [actually] preach Christ, the Messiah, [for no better reason than] out of envy and rivalry; but others are doing so out of a loyal spirit and goodwill. (Philippians 1:15) I read that the other day and it made me think. I am guilty of doing this from time to time, and I think some other people are, too. Just thought it was relevant. No Subject Posted by THE Blake "However, the thrust of the article is addressing the audience on how they need to quit acting like pompous, narrow-minded, self righteous jerks." Oh I see. So it's ok for the Left and those who hate Christianity to be pompous and narrow-minded (though for some reason, their own narrow-mindedness is labeled "open-minded")? Please. We're merely looked on as pompous, narrow-minded and self-righteous because society has worked it so that people hate Christians and Christianity so it can prepare for the type of things that are predicted in Revelation. However I won't get into that right now. Way too much stuff to put out. hahahaha Posted by Rick Snee You were all like, "wow, what a great article! I hope this gets those left-wingers' dander up!" Now you're all, "you and everyone like you sucks, dude." pwned No Subject No Subject Posted by Andrew Lent Where in Phil's article did he say it is ok to be pompous and narrow-minded for either side? No Subject Posted by Blake "It's not persecution if you're actually DOING what they say you're doing." And you say I'm not? No Subject Posted by Phil Hunnicutt No... I've only read 4 things you've ever written. All of them in this thread here. First, you congratulate me on my great article, either without understanding it or reading it... (and I can't tell which) Assuming that I mesh right up with your world view. Then, You go on to try to explain what you thought it was could about, which proves that you either read it, but could not comprehend it OR you just want to believe that your views are right and that the majority of the universe agrees with you. Then, instead of commenting or criticizing the article, you go on some sort of looney, rhetoric-drenched rant about how the left hates you. Then, you fail to understand the comment that criticized your statements... (And just to spell it out, I was saying that "You cannot be in a state of being persecuted if you are doing the things that are being claimed. Persecution REQUIRES for the attacks or the responses to be unjust, untrue, or overkill.") So I've really gotta ask... Can you read and write? No Subject Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader Ouch...nice job on summing up THE. earwax intensifier Posted by markee questing on, our hero came upon a horde of zombies formerly known as the rolling stones. fortunately they were exhausted from the groupie brains they had ingested only moments ago. like david bowie before him, our hero decided it was befitting to orally stimulate mick jagger. completing the last thing on his life's "to do" list, our hero read the above article and smiled. the end No Subject Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader Where is THE's response? He's usually all over Whim.
Cat got his tongue? Phil, Posted by Zoe I personally am so glad that you are writing again! :) Long live the Pope's #1 Sidekick! No Subject Posted by Andrew Lent Zoe, please use proper grammar. We all know it is The Pope (I went to capitalize that for emphasis, but then thought that I didn't want to appear mocking). No Subject Posted by THE Blake "If they're Walking Dead, why are you trying to get them to behave according to the religious law when they simply cannot; and, if they're Living, why are you trying to condemn them with religious law through governmental law instead of trying to help them walk right?" In regards to your comment about the dead (ie the non-believers), the problem with your argument is that in the case of a zombie (although I rarely watch horror movies so correct me if I'm wrong) - they can never go back to being of the living. However, it is not so with Christianity. No matter what age a person is, how deeply devoted they are in their own religion, etc - they can always come to the Truth. It's there the whole time waiting for them, beckoning them to it. And there's nothing wrong with writing governmental law that is based on religious beliefs. It helps create an environment to stimulate good, moral behavior and may lead to those who don't follow the Lord to come to Him. In regards to your comment about the Living - could you perhaps make an example? No Subject Posted by Quorthon And there's nothing wrong with writing governmental law that is based on religious beliefs. It helps create an environment to stimulate good, moral behavior and may lead to those who don't follow the Lord to come to Him. Writing theocratic legislation won't lead others to Christianity, it will only exacerbate contempt for it. You don't have to be religious to have morals, either. No Subject Posted by Phil Hunnicutt "In regards to your comment about the dead (ie the non-believers), the problem with your argument is that in the case of a zombie (although I rarely watch horror movies so correct me if I'm wrong) - they can never go back to being of the living. However, it is not so with Christianity. No matter what age a person is, how deeply devoted they are in their own religion, etc - they can always come to the Truth. It's there the whole time waiting for them, beckoning them to it." Yeah, I addressed this in the article. I said that law based living is one solution, but that it is not the cure. Christ is the cure. No amount of religious laws does what Christ did and continues to do. Upon fulfillment, we can no longer be condemned under the law. Yet time and time again, the Christian life as presented to the rest of the world is that of condemnation and demands on behavior, which it was never intended to be. "And there's nothing wrong with writing governmental law that is based on religious beliefs. It helps create an environment to stimulate good, moral behavior and may lead to those who don't follow the Lord to come to Him." Following the Lord is WAY more than a set of moral codes and laws. If you're looking for that, try Islam, that's a religion that is more geared for that direction. The problem with coding governmental law to reflect religious law is that governmental law always condemns the offender. Under Christianity, the law has no power to condemn, and can only serve to convict people and steer them in a direction of better, less harmful and painful living. God didn't make the religious laws just to make them. They serve purposes. However, the religious law should ONLY be professed by those capable of delivering it within the context of grace. Otherwise it is nothing but further condemnation. "In regards to your comment about the Living - could you perhaps make an example?" As to what part about the living? There's a lot about the living in there. If you could pick some specific parts, I'd be glad to go over them. Let's make that readable. Posted by Phil "In regards to your comment about the dead (ie the non-believers), the problem with your argument is that in the case of a zombie (although I rarely watch horror movies so correct me if I'm wrong) - they can never go back to being of the living. However, it is not so with Christianity. No matter what age a person is, how deeply devoted they are in their own religion, etc - they can always come to the Truth. It's there the whole time waiting for them, beckoning them to it." Yeah, I addressed this in the article. I said that law based living is one solution, but that it is not the cure. Christ is the cure. No amount of religious laws does what Christ did and continues to do. Upon fulfillment, we can no longer be condemned under the law. Yet time and time again, the Christian life as presented to the rest of the world is that of condemnation and demands on behavior, which it was never intended to be. "And there's nothing wrong with writing governmental law that is based on religious beliefs. It helps create an environment to stimulate good, moral behavior and may lead to those who don't follow the Lord to come to Him." Following the Lord is WAY more than a set of moral codes and laws. If you're looking for that, try Islam, that's a religion that is more geared for that direction. The problem with coding governmental law to reflect religious law is that governmental law always condemns the offender. Under Christianity, the law has no power to condemn, and can only serve to convict people and steer them in a direction of better, less harmful and painful living. God didn't make the religious laws just to make them. They serve purposes. However, the religious law should ONLY be professed by those capable of delivering it within the context of grace. Otherwise it is nothing but further condemnation. "In regards to your comment about the Living - could you perhaps make an example?"
As to what part about the living? There's a lot about the living in there. If you could pick some specific parts, I'd be glad to go over them. No Subject Posted by THE Blake I think the problem here is our outlook on the laws. The rules and guidelines in The Bible are quite clear in terms of following them - when you break them, it's called sinning. Just like the laws of governments - break them and you've done something wrong. However, the only difference between the two is that they can be forgiven by the blood of Christ. And there is nothing wrong with having government laws entangled with religious laws. (I will pose this only from a Christian perspective so for those who don't hold the view, don't attack me for it). For example, the Bible says that homosexuality is wrong. There is nothing wrong with taking that and extending it to become one of the laws of the land. Again, this might be a difference on outlook. Personally, I think that democracy, when compared to a true theocracy, is trash. I would chose theocracy over democracy anyday. No Subject Posted by THE Blake "You don't have to be religious to have morals, either." True, but a good number of morals and laws trace their roots to religious laws. THE Posted by markee sexism and inequality trace their roots to religious laws too. Interesting... No Subject Posted by Phil I would wholeheartedly disagree with you. The Christian faith is wholey different from any other religion in the world in that it espouses identity change before it allots for a change in behavior. It's not a natural birth right or a code of actions. It's a change in your spiritual identity that comes through accepting a relationship with Christ. Therefore, there's nothing you can do to become saved. You either are or you aren't. Were there a true Christian Theocracy, it would truly have no need for written or coded laws. First, Paul says in Romans that the law is written on our hearts... So right there, there's no need to have any written law. But even more so pertinant to the situation would be founded Gallations, which is where Paul espouses death to the law for Christians. Then, you'd have to take into the account that Christians are called to be Christ like, and that Christ never condemned anyone to the law. Governmental law is meant to condemn someone for their actions. It is not about "consequences". For instance, if you kill someone unjustly, consequences of your actions are the mental and emotional suffering that you go through, the shame and paranoia and anxiety that comes with being on the other side of justice, and running the risk of being subject to revenge for your behavior. However, if you are caught by law enforcement, you will be condemned to a sentence based upon the manner inwhich the murder was committed. Sometimes the two will intersect; because the religious law will cover, among other things, violations of other people's rights and governmental law must cover to a certain degree people's rights. Now, if you you're a Christian and want to establish theological principals into law, you're running a huge risk of either compromising your faith or your government. If a homosexual becomes a Christian, he can have all the gay sex he or she wants and still be saved. Nowhere in the bible does it say that salvation can be revoked. If you create a governmental law that states that anyone caught engaging in homosexual behavior (if you want to interpret the word that way, it is still a theologically debated issue as to whether or not consentual adult homosexual behavior is a sin) will recieve a penalty for violations of moral laws, you've essentially just lied about who Jesus is and what he's all about. On the other hand, if you have a law that says homosexual behavior is against the law but that there is no punishment, you've just dilluted your government's power because if there's no punishment for one crime there really can be no punishment against any. And this goes even further with the religious rights attempts to post law based (they're always law based... Why never any that are grace based? Hmmm... You think there might be forces at work that want to keep people from hearing and understanding grace?) religious documents in schools or criminalizing abortion. The ultimate result, were these organizations capable of achieving their ends, would be further condemnation. The problem with condemnation is that if it is a permanent penalty, it teaches nothing to the person about a loving God who saved the world through love and sacrifice; however, if it is a temporary penalty, it teaches a person to believe that they've paid for what they've done and that that is how one recieve's God's blessings. No Subject Posted by Blake As I see it, this article and the comments you have written are good examples of the state of the church (in some cases) today. I went and did a bit of research for ya and I found this link which I think will help a lot. The Church of Laodicea What is the above link, you may ask? It is the link to a webpage that I found that I think describes the sad state of our Church today. It’s no wonder other portions of the Bible fortell the Great Apostasy. I’ll tell you this much because I don’t want to say a lot and tick off people: I have always said Christians need to fear the Democratic Party and its platform. Don’t get me wrong: there are a good/great number of Democrats are true Christians. However, the Party platform is nothing more than a platform of sin, spiritual corruption and various other anti-Christian things. However, I’m backing away from this conversation here. It’s not my fight. I think you are completely wrong about this issue – there is nothing wrong with mixing government and religion. Both can mix very well as long as the citizens follow the religion of the land. Again, that’s why I support theocracy over democracy because in the end, even democracy is anti-Christian and foul because people will use it to do almost anything they want. However, it’s the best we got in the world right now since society would never live under theocracy after buying into secularism and modernism. No Subject Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader So Blake, in this government with its people that support the "religion of the land" what do you do with the other people? What about the Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Taoists, Agnostics, Atheists, Zoroastrianists, pagans, etc? No Subject Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader THE, what you say flies in the face of everything the Founding Fathers were seeking when they decided to separate church and state...NOTHING good can come from tying together faith and laws. It's not necessary and it's divisive for a democracy to force ANYTHING on it's citizens. Were it not for the "sinful" Democrats, little Nazis like you could take over. No Subject Posted by Woo Blake it's pretty immature of you to post under Tricky Woo. Please stop cause it's just making you look stupid. No Subject No Subject Posted by Phil So... You have an opinion, but you refuse (actually, I'm leaning towards the side of cannot, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt) to back it up. Then you rant some more about how you don't like The Democratic platform, which, to my knowledge had nothing to do with the criticisms of your ideas that I posted. However, I think it's basically a way to say "I don't like the Democrats, so I must espouse the views of the Republicans", which is foolish. Then you go and post some looney website and say it justifies your hatred of the church... And all in all, none of it makes much sense to me.
care to reword? No Subject Posted by Blake "THE, what you say flies in the face of everything the Founding Fathers were seeking when they decided to separate church and state." Their intention was to prevent Congress from establishing an official religion like England had done with the Church of England. They never wanted religion gone from the government, heck, a good number of them were Christians. And Woo, I thought we settled this last year - I'm not posting under your name. I don't know you and feel no reason to post as you, nor would I even if I did know you. That's just wrong. And for Phil - I backed away because I really don't want people going all anti-Erskine on me. I simply do not feel that the Democratic platform is a Christian one (again, their members may be but the platform is not) and would want nothing more than to see Christianity expunged from the world. And in regards to your stance - the Lord wants its followers to try to live their lives as godlike as they can. |
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