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No Subject Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader Omar this is probably one of the best articles Whim has run. Your article can be agreed upon by conservatives, liberals, Jews, Christians, Muslims and even "Eastern thinkers" as you have made clear. What you say is definetly true and hopefully we can realize this to keep U.S. society good. No Subject Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader So, when do we implement the "religious police", who will go out killing homosexuals and beating women who expose "too much skin"? "righteous behavior in the husband and obedience in the wife" Who the fuck do you think you're kidding???? No Subject Posted by Peter Is it possible next semester we can get through a week without having Omar, Brian S, Brian E. and Blake shoving religion down our throat? No Subject Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader I thought this was about values and justice--not about necessarily shoving religion down people's throat. Sure, he quoted religious people, but that doesn't really matter. Understand the point of the article before you simply critize. I mean, I keep waiting for a week when ignorant people stop posting as well, unfortunately, in Radford, that is getting harder and harder to find. No Subject Posted by Ray Sure, he quoted religious people, but that doesn't really matter I can quote religious people, too. But they are Imams and they preach death to America and Israel. Are we done yet with people pretending Islam is peaceful, or do I have to keep this up for another week? No Subject Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader "The decadence of justice is cause for the absence of peace, harmony, and human rights within society itself. Pope John Paul II is quite often quoted as saying "if you want peace, then work for justice."" I'm pretty sure that when the Pope said that, he didn't mean "make women obey by beating them into submission" or "convert people to your religion by cutting off their heads." YMMV. No Subject Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader This isn't even about Islam, Ray. If you notice WHO he quotes, there are a bunch of different people, from many different realms--Western, Indian, Middle Eastern and Chinese. Get over your Islamo-phobia for one week and try to really get at what OMAR is saying. No Subject Posted by Ray I (kinda) apologize for that comment. I hadn't read the article yet when I posted. It was karaoke night at Macados, and country night at JD's, and ahppy hour at Rileys. It was a long night. Sorry about that. No Subject Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader Yeah, I'd try reading the articles. But, hey, we know you're one for generalizations. No Subject Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader Peter, what is wrong with religion? If you don't like it, then don't read it. I bet you didn't even read Omar's article. You just scrolled down and wrote a rant. No Subject Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader Sounds like someone ripped off the Bible: "Know that the root of all ills is the love of this material world." Sounds alfuwly similar to "the root of all evil is the love of money" No Subject Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader Sounds like someone ripped off the Bible: "Know that the root of all ills is the love of this material world." Sounds alfuwly similar to "the root of all evil is the love of money" How about both of them agree? When similarities of the faiths are shown "someone ripped off the Bible" and when differences are shown "why don't you agree with the Bible" No Subject Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader Like you can't find things in the Bible that *could* be rip-offs of previous stories and traditions from other religions. No Subject Posted by American Patriot Laws--fair and just laws, upon which a free people have agreed--are vastly preferable to "moral values" as a foundation for a just, fair, and free society. It's pretty simple, really. The wisdom of the patriots (Madison, Jefferson, Mason) has trumped the wisdom of the prophets (any of them!) as the basis of a good government and good society, at least in my book. No Subject Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader "and just laws" - American Patriot. "The decadence of justice is cause for the absence of peace, harmony, and human rights within society itself. Pope John Paul II is quite often quoted as saying "if you want peace, then work for justice." The great Muslim scholar Ibn Khaldun, who is considered by many to be the father of sociology, wrote of the origins of societal decay in his monumental work al-Muqaddimah, stating quite clearly: 'Injustice ruins civilization.'" - Omar. No Subject Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader "The great Muslim scholar Ibn Khaldun, who is considered by many to be the father of sociology, wrote of the origins of societal decay in his monumental work al-Muqaddimah, stating quite clearly: 'Injustice ruins civilization.'" - Omar." So why are you unwilling to explicitly state what kind of "societal decay" you're opposing? Stop trying to hide the reality of your agenda. No Subject Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader If injustice ruins civilization as you claim, whose version of justice do you propose we follow? The Koran's that says it's OK to kill gays? Or people who don't agree with you? It seems to me that most third world countries lie in the Middle East and Africa-- a.k.a. Muslim countries. See a relation there? Obviously, by your definition, Islam is NOT the way to go. No Subject Posted by American Patriot This is a very well intentioned article but it's basically just babble. Yes, justice is good for society, injustice is bad. Obviously. Ditto moral values, respectful behavior, and righteous conduct. But throughout history, all of the prophets, sages,and popes who have preached these qualities have never succeeded in doing much more than improving the character of INDIVIDUALS, not whole societies. And to what purpose--for the most part--have they done it? So that the individual will be obedient to a higher power--either on earth or in heaven. (Your quotes, full of references to dynasty, rulers, obedience, subjects, followers, etc. all bear this out.) Has there ever been a society founded upon any of these principles that is not inherently hierarchical? A hierarchical society does not, by definition, offer equal status to ALL members of the society.
Interestingly enough--or ironically, if you see it that way--the United States of America, founded not upon the pillars of any religion or anybody's idea of a higher moral order, but upon plain, simple laws based upon the consent of the governed, still seems to offer the best opportunity for people to live together in a just society. No Subject Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader What in this article - goes against "fair laws" - I think that Omar was meaning on a more general scale. No Subject Posted by Josho
No Subject Posted by Josho *cough* http://jesuswouldbeashamedofyou.com/ Just a reminder to the people trying to defame Islam. All religions, political parties, and groups have their extremists. Excellent article, Omar. I love how you incorporated ideals from all parts of the globe. No Subject Posted by Mo this a very well written article, Omar. i just do not know why such monkey-ass-faces like Ray keep poping up and simply try to piss you off. good luck with'em man. No Subject Posted by Ray Hi Mo, I apologized already for my drunken comment made previously. Other than that I have remained silent on here. Shows how tolerant and understanding you are. No Subject Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader You've called Arabs towelheads, ragheads, etc. You've called Muslims evil, terrorists, violent, and said that they secretly sympathize with terror. Thats a monkey ass face to me. No Subject Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader Omar this article is phenomenal. No Subject Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader "A monkey ass face"??? What are you, in elementary school or something? Debate the issues Monkey Butt Breath! No Subject Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader Whats wrong with being in elementary school? Do you think your better than them? Your such a racist person. Monkey ass face man. No Subject Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy monkeys with asses Come On, Omar, answer the frigging question: Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader Why are you unwilling to explicitly state what kind of "societal decay" you're opposing? Stop trying to hide the reality of your agenda. No Subject Posted by Omar I have a hidden agenda because I wrote an article on societal decay for an online college magazine? My intentions are written out in the article: I am opposing "injustice" quite literally with no need to superimpose figurative explanations onto that term. I am encouraging "respectful behavior" meaning being respectful and acting with dignity to others. I am encouraging loving for your brother what you love for yourself as well as "good character." The only thing which is vague is my support of "moral values" which are general only because as the great Sociological thinkers have said - social cohesion depends on a common and shared set of core moral values and this is why the word is vague because it is simply to prove the point that when these values rot away social cohesion rots away causing the social decay of society. The other three concepts are quite literal so please do not read too much into them. If you believe that I am trying to impose some sort of "hidden agenda" by using a online college magazine to spread my views then you are mistaken. Thanks, Omar. No Subject Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader Omar, why are you on this early? No Subject Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader I (kinda) apologize for that comment. <-- kinda... yeah your funny. No Subject Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader "social cohesion depends on a common and shared set of core moral values and this is why the word is vague because it is simply to prove the point that when these values rot away social cohesion rots away causing the social decay of society." So, since homosexuals generally don't have some of the same "core moral values" (for example, homosexuals don't view homosexuality as being wrong, while a great number of others in society do think it's wrong), they contribute to the "rotting away of social cohesion"? You don't think that it's odd that the Diversity Coordinator
would postulate that deviation from societal norms causes "social decay"?
Hey, here's some "Islamic Justice" for you... Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4967108.stm Here is some Christian justice for you Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader We have our own loony Western tradition too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition No Subject Posted by Ray Some interesting comparisons dealing with the inquisition: That ended in 1834. Killings in the name of Islam still occur today. We as Christians had something called reformation where you look at yourself and say "we may have fucked up here, so let's fix it." Have Muslims done that? No, they hold onto their stoneaged rituals and practices and continue to rape, torture, terrorize, and kill in the name of a faux religion. In one year nowadays, Muslims kill more people than all 400 years of the Inquisition. Sounds a little one sided, doesnt it? I point you to The Religion of Peace for a partial list of the astrocities they have committed I knew it was only a matter of time before someone brought up the Inquisition. The Vatican formally apologized for the actions of a minortiy of Christians. Have the religious heads of Islam said sorry about so many of our followers being hatemongorers who preach death to the West and Israel? No. Quite the contrary, they are the ones spewing hate speech against us. Do you think when they finally make it to our shores and start slaughtering us they will care that you dont like Christianity? I doubt it. They'll slit your throat just like these people: No Subject Posted by Some Anonymous Whim Reader "Here is some Christian justice for you" Ah...Than you for your highly relevant addition to a discussion on CURRENT-FUCKING-EVENTS. It dissapoints me that RU admits idiots such as you... |
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